Today we'll look at a few assumptions we tend to make when we discuss Jesus' "Millennial Reign." For those who are not terribly versed when it comes to biblical eschatology, the modern dispensational view (taught, for example, in the Left Behind series of books) teaches something along these lines: Jesus will come to "rapture" His Church--dead and living--at the beginning or in the middle of the "Great Tribulation," a 7-year period of time following which Jesus and His saints will return and reign for precisely one thousand years on earth. During this time, called Jesus' "Millennial Reign," there will be peace on earth as Satan is bound, unable to have any influence in the world, and as Jesus and believers in their glorified bodies reign, physically present. (If any of my readers disagree to any extent with this summary, please let me know and I will try and correct it if appropriate.)
Monday, April 12, 2010
Exegetical Eschatology: Millennial Misunderstandings
Today we'll look at a few assumptions we tend to make when we discuss Jesus' "Millennial Reign." For those who are not terribly versed when it comes to biblical eschatology, the modern dispensational view (taught, for example, in the Left Behind series of books) teaches something along these lines: Jesus will come to "rapture" His Church--dead and living--at the beginning or in the middle of the "Great Tribulation," a 7-year period of time following which Jesus and His saints will return and reign for precisely one thousand years on earth. During this time, called Jesus' "Millennial Reign," there will be peace on earth as Satan is bound, unable to have any influence in the world, and as Jesus and believers in their glorified bodies reign, physically present. (If any of my readers disagree to any extent with this summary, please let me know and I will try and correct it if appropriate.)
Thursday, April 8, 2010
God So Loved the World: Debating Baptismal Regeneration--Put On Hold
Last time I posted what seemed like the beginning of an email debate over the necessity of baptism when it comes to salvation. After the response I posted, my friend suggested we meet in person with his pastor to discuss the matter. Initially I agreed; however, after a couple of probing questions I have decided I cannot in good conscience discuss baptism or any other doctrinal matters face-to-face until we come to an agreement on what I think is a more fundamental matter. Here is how I came to that conclusion.
After a couple of emails back and forth, my friend wrote,
This emphasis on "heaven" at first didn't strike me as all that serious. Many Christians refer to the resurrection as "heaven," or don't readily think of the resurrection, but at least acknowledge it. I responded,
You see, at this point I just figured "going to heaven" was a euphamism for the resurrection. My friend responded,
Now for some reason, at this point I still didn't suspect anything. I don't know if I initially misread his words or what, but I still thought we were just disagreeing on terminology. I responded,
I've left some things out, as I don't want to get off topic in this mini-series. But suffice it to say that we were discussing another issue or two as well, and at this point my friend decided we should table any further discussion on those other topics until we met in person. I was fine with this, except I noticed that he didn't address what I had said about the resurrection. This is where alarm bells started to go off, and I wrote this:
I honestly wrote this with nearly 100% certainty that he would respond in agreement. To my surprise, this is how he responded:
To anybody familiar with the debate between preterists and hyperpreterists, you'll know, now, why I am not comfortable discussing any other doctrinal matters until we can agree on the resurrection. Here is how I responded to him:
It wasn't until after I sent this a couple of hours ago that it dawned on me that my friend might be a hyperpreterist. I assumed that he just didn't believe in the resurrection, which of course is serious enough. However, I got to wondering, are there professing Christians who deny the resurrection but who aren't hyperpreterists?
Please keep my friend and me in your prayers. I'm not sure if he will be willing to meet to discuss the resurrection if there's the possibility we may not get to baptism. I hope he understands--and indeed I hope you, my readers, understand--why I cannot comfortably discuss other doctrinal matters in person with him until we agree on this essential of the historic Christian faith. Stay tuned for updates.
After a couple of emails back and forth, my friend wrote,
[Jim] I understand that what God wants for us is to be saved and join him in Heaven...How we are to get to be with God in Heaven is written down in a manner for us to understand. I seek the truth that leads to Heaven...I want to be sure that I am teaching myself and my family that they have a way to get to Heaven.
This emphasis on "heaven" at first didn't strike me as all that serious. Many Christians refer to the resurrection as "heaven," or don't readily think of the resurrection, but at least acknowledge it. I responded,
[Theopologetics] Also, I'm assuming you mean that you "want to be sure that [you are] teaching [yourself] and [your] family that they have a way to [be resurrected]." I just want to make sure that your hope is in the resurrection, ultimately, not "heaven." If not, that's another important discussion we need to have.
You see, at this point I just figured "going to heaven" was a euphamism for the resurrection. My friend responded,
[Jim] You use the word resurrection, which I understand to mean return to physical life from physical death. I don't use this term in talking of "life in Heaven" for this would be a spiritual life and in order to get there we (people) must die physically.
Now for some reason, at this point I still didn't suspect anything. I don't know if I initially misread his words or what, but I still thought we were just disagreeing on terminology. I responded,
[Theopologetics] Scripture teaches that our hope is in the final, bodily resurrection from the dead, which for many Christians is merely an afterthought. When you said you want to teach your family what they need to "have a way to get to Heaven," I just wanted to make sure that you recognize that "heaven" is a temporary, less-than-ideal state, and that your ultimate hope is in the resurrection.
I've left some things out, as I don't want to get off topic in this mini-series. But suffice it to say that we were discussing another issue or two as well, and at this point my friend decided we should table any further discussion on those other topics until we met in person. I was fine with this, except I noticed that he didn't address what I had said about the resurrection. This is where alarm bells started to go off, and I wrote this:
[Theopologetics] I still need to know that you acknowledge that all the dead will one day in the future be bodily resurrected from the dead--after our time in heaven. If you do, great, we can meet and discuss baptism. If you do not, I'm not comfortable meeting to discuss baptism until we discuss the resurrection, and I'll explain why if you'd like.
I honestly wrote this with nearly 100% certainty that he would respond in agreement. To my surprise, this is how he responded:
[Jim] I don't agree with that, but that can be added to the list of things to study the scriptures to understand.
To anybody familiar with the debate between preterists and hyperpreterists, you'll know, now, why I am not comfortable discussing any other doctrinal matters until we can agree on the resurrection. Here is how I responded to him:
[Theopologetics] I appreciate your honesty. Honestly =). Yes, we can discuss that too, then.
However, when we get together face-to-face, I do not think I can in good conscience discuss baptism until we've discussed the resurrection. The centrality of the future, bodily resurrection is made clear in 1 Corinthians 15, particularly verses 12 to 19. And in 2 Timothy 2:17-18, the teaching of those who deny the future resurrection is likened unto gangrene, and that their heresies were destroying the faith of some. I hope you'll understand--even if you don't agree--that I cannot subject myself to the risk of having my faith destroyed by discussing baptism or any other topic with someone who denies the resurrection. Not until we agree on the future bodily resurrection can I in good faith discuss any other doctrine with you and your pastor in person.
So yes, we can plan on meeting with the plan to discuss a) the resurrection, and b) baptism, among anything else you would like. But I'm sorry that I will not be comfortable moving onto baptism, etc., until we've agreed on the resurrection. Are you comfortable, then, with the possibility that we might not ever get to the topic you primarily desire to discuss?
It wasn't until after I sent this a couple of hours ago that it dawned on me that my friend might be a hyperpreterist. I assumed that he just didn't believe in the resurrection, which of course is serious enough. However, I got to wondering, are there professing Christians who deny the resurrection but who aren't hyperpreterists?
Please keep my friend and me in your prayers. I'm not sure if he will be willing to meet to discuss the resurrection if there's the possibility we may not get to baptism. I hope he understands--and indeed I hope you, my readers, understand--why I cannot comfortably discuss other doctrinal matters in person with him until we agree on this essential of the historic Christian faith. Stay tuned for updates.
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Wednesday, April 7, 2010
God So Loved the World: Debating Baptismal Regeneration--Day One
Sorry I haven't been posting much lately. I've got so many things I want to continue posting about: the bibliology series I promised my old friend I would continue; my evolution debate (which hasn't continued in earnest since I last posted); my evidence for the Trinity; and so on and so forth. But all in its due time. Those of you who enjoy my blog--as few of you as there might be--please don't give up on me.
I recently began a discussion over email with an old friend concerning the relationship between baptism and salvation. His claim is that salvation is a requirement for salvation, whereas my contention is that salvation is a free gift given by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. In case any of my readers might find the discussion edifying, I figured I'd reproduce the relevant points here at my blog. For the sake of anonymity, I'll call my friend "Jim." Jim, if I misquote you or misrepresent your position, please let me know. Do continue to respond via email, however, rather than in comments in response to this post; I think the discussion will be clearer as individual blog posts rather than as a ridiculously long thread of comments with limited formatting options.
DAY ONE: BAPTISM AND THE GOSPEL
My friend saw a comment I had made in which I mentioned that "that salvation is by grace alone through faith alone." This proved to be the catalyst for the discussion which I'll be reproducing here. My friend saw this comment and contacted me via email. Here is how he began:
Here was my response to him:
That's it for now. Stay tuned, I'll post tomorrow with any responses which take place before then.
I recently began a discussion over email with an old friend concerning the relationship between baptism and salvation. His claim is that salvation is a requirement for salvation, whereas my contention is that salvation is a free gift given by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. In case any of my readers might find the discussion edifying, I figured I'd reproduce the relevant points here at my blog. For the sake of anonymity, I'll call my friend "Jim." Jim, if I misquote you or misrepresent your position, please let me know. Do continue to respond via email, however, rather than in comments in response to this post; I think the discussion will be clearer as individual blog posts rather than as a ridiculously long thread of comments with limited formatting options.
DAY ONE: BAPTISM AND THE GOSPEL
My friend saw a comment I had made in which I mentioned that "that salvation is by grace alone through faith alone." This proved to be the catalyst for the discussion which I'll be reproducing here. My friend saw this comment and contacted me via email. Here is how he began:
[Jim] The teaching of baptism must be taken from the understanding of the teaching of the gospel. This is my understanding.
Beginning in Matt 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."
Mark 16:15 "He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."
Acts 1:3-8 "After his suffering, he showed himself to these men and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God. 4On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: "Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. 5For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit." 6So when they met together, they asked him, "Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?" 7He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."
Acts 16:10 "After Paul had seen the vision, we got ready at once to leave for Macedonia, concluding that God had called us to preach the gospel to them."
Romans 1:16-17 "I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 17For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."
These scriptures give weight to the understanding of the teaching from Acts 2:38 in that they explain the gospel of Christ and when looking into these scriptures the message is therefore clarified to mean that everyone who wants to be saved MUST believe AND be baptized into Christ.
Here was my response to him:
[Theopologetics] I'm going to break up my argument into discernible points:
1. SALVATION NOT BY WORKS
First, the Protestant Reformers recognized what the Catholic Church had largely lost, namely (and among other things) that Scripture teaches that salvation is a free gift of God through faith, not dependent upon ANY works. As Paul wrote to the Ephesians, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9). If salvation is in any part dependent upon any work--including baptism--then some may boast. Those who are saved can boast, saying, "I was more obedient than you, so I was baptized, so I was saved."
The jailer asked Paul and Silas, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" How did they respond? "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household" (Acts 16:30-31). He didn't tell him to be baptized, he said merely to believe.
Paul wrote to the Romans, "apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested...through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe" (Romans 3:21-22). No mention of baptism, only belief. He also said to them, "Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" (Romans 5:1). No mention of baptism, only faith.
Of particular importance is what Paul said to the Romans in Romans 4:1-12. There, he explains that Abraham was saved before he was circumcised, and that the faith he had before this ceremony was credited to him as righteousness. Paul goes on to say that Abraham received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised. And this faith he had which was credited to him as righteousness before the sign which signified it is the same kind of faith believers in Christ have.
Paul also wrote to Titus, "He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit" (Titus 3:5). Our salvation is not on the basis of any deed--including baptism. (I'll come back to this verse in a bit.)
Jesus said to Nicodemus, "whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life" (John 3:16). No mention of baptism. And, "He who believes in Him is not judged" (verse 18). No mention of baptism. And, "He who believes in the Son has eternal life" (verse 36). No mention of baptism.
He said to Martha, "he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die" (John 11:25-25). No mention of baptism.
John wrote, "Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God" (1 John 5:1). No mention of baptism.
The whole point of the gospel is that salvation is a free gift that cannot be earned. If it is given only if you perform some deed or work, then you are in some sense earning your salvation. When we look at verses that connect baptism with salvation, since Scripture cannot contradict Scripture, we must interpret them in such a way as to be consistent with those verses which clearly communicate that salvation is not dependent upon any work.
2. IN THE BIBLE, SOME WERE SAVED BEFORE BAPTISM
In Acts 10:44-48, "While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message...Peter answered, 'Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?' And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ." These Gentiles believed first, and were indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and were baptized after their salvation.
3. VERSES WHICH ARE STRANGE IF BAPTISM IS REQUIRED FOR SALVATION
Paul wrote to the Corinthians, "I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius" (1 Corinthians 1:14). Really?!?! He goes on to say, "Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel" (1 Corinthians 1:17). Really?!?! If baptism is necessary for salvation, these statements would be ludicrous. Yes, his point in this passage is that he doesn't want to encourage division (verse 15), but if baptism is necessary for salvation, Paul would basically be saying, "I thank God that I helped you believe but left you unsaved until someone else baptized you." Or, "Christ sent me only to preach, but not to take new believers to the next step of baptism which is required to be saved." That'd be utterly ridiculous.
Also, you said, "the teaching of baptism must be taken from the understanding of the teaching of the gospel." Okay, but then Paul's summary of the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-8 is strangely devoid of this essential requirement. Not only does he leave baptism out of it altogether, but he also says that we're saved by it "if you hold fast the word which I preached to you" (verse 2). He doesn’t say, "if you hold fast the word which I preached to you and are baptized." If baptism is such a requirement, it is strange that Paul leaves it out of both the gospel summary and that which is required to be saved.
4. HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIOS WHICH ARE PROBLEMATIC IF BAPTISM IS REQUIRED FOR SALVATION
An old man, an unbeliever, is at a church service to witness his granddaughter's baptism. Moved to belief, in tears he stands up and begs to be baptized. Asked if he believes he is a sinner and that Jesus died and rose again for his salvation, he says he does, and as he walks toward the stage he has a heart attack and dies.
A woman has recently become a believer and is scheduled to be baptized this afternoon. She's overflowing with newfound love for her Savior, and she's excited to be baptized. She parks across the street, and as she crosses the street to the church, she's hit by a bus and dies.
And on and on it goes. The point is, it is the height of absurdity to think that genuine believers are not saved simply because they died moments before their opportunity to be baptized. And yet that's precisely what this idea requires.
5. HOW DO WORKS RELATE TO SALVATION?
Works are an outward manifestation of inward salvation. James wrote, "I will show you my faith by my works," and "faith without works is dead." A genuine faith, he tells us, is one which produces works. Without works, a faith is an inanimate, false, dead faith. The problem, he tells us, is not with the lack of works, but with the lack of real faith.
Paul told the Galatians that "the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control" (Galatians 5:22-23). As "fruit," works are manifestations of faith, not that upon which faith is dependent.
What Scripture tells us is the relationship between salvation and works is that one who is genuinely saved naturally produces works. They are evidence of, not requirements for, salvation. As John wrote, "They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us" (1 John 2:19).
6. SOME PROOF TEXTS LEVELED AGAINST GRACE-ALONE
Remember as we look at these that Scripture cannot contradict Scripture. As we've already seen, the consistent message of the gospel is that it is a free gift from God not based on works/deeds. We must keep this in mind as we look at these verses.
Titus 3:5: I mentioned earlier that I'd come back to this one. What of "the washing of regeneration" mentioned here? This cannot mean that we are saved only if we are baptized, for then Paul would be contradicting himself; remember, he just said our salvation is not on the basis of any deed. What, then, does Paul mean? One of two things. Some commentators have simply understood Paul as including the outward sign with the inward change that saves. Matthew Henry wrote, "Here is the outward sign and seal thereof in baptism, called therefore the washing of regeneration. The work itself is inward and spiritual; but it is outwardly signified and sealed in this ordinance. Water is of a cleansing and purifying nature, does away the filth of the flesh, and so was apt to signify the doing away of the guilt and defilement of sin by the blood and Spirit of Christ" Calvin wrote, "The apostles are wont to draw an argument from the sacraments to prove the thing therein signified, because it ought to be a recognized principle among the godly, that God does not mark us with empty signs, but by His power inwardly makes good what He demonstrates by the outward sign." Another possibility is that the "washing" here is not baptism. No Greek word for "baptism" is included here, and the "washing of regeneration" here may refer to the washing of the blood of Christ that cleanses us.
Mark 16:15-16: It is likely this was not a part of the original Scriptures. The earliest manuscripts do not contain anything past verse 8, and only later manuscripts contains verses 9 through 20. For more information, see http://www.tektonics.org/af/baptismneed.html. Still, let's assume for a moment that it was in the original. Then Jesus does say, "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved," but look what He goes on to say: "but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned." Note He doesn't say, "he who has disbelieved or has not been baptized shall be condemned." Thus, even if these verses weren't added later, as the evidence suggests, they still don't prove your point. I explained above that deeds are produced by a genuine faith, so all Jesus is saying--again, if these words even belong in Scripture--is that if one's faith is genuine and thus produces adherence to His commands, he will be saved.
Acts 2:38: You can't use this verse in support of your position without it backfiring on you. It reads, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Note what it leaves out: Belief! Faith! Trust! If this verse is a "formula" for salvation, then you must conclude that faith isn't required; any unbeliever could repent of his sins and be baptized in Christ's name without truly believing. Clearly that's not the case. No, repentance and baptism are fruits of genuine faith, and what this verse says is that if we have genuine faith--one which leads to repentance and to baptism--we will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
I'll address other texts as you bring them up.
SUMMARY
To summarize, the consistent message of the gospel is that salvation is a free gift given to those who did not deserve it nor earn it in any way, shape or form. It is given by God's grace alone, through faith alone, not on the basis of works or deeds. Christians are commanded to be baptized, yes, but it is merely an outward sign of a change which has taken place inwardly already. Furthermore, like any work, it is the fruit of, not the basis for, our salvation. We should not resist the command to be baptized, but neither should we resist the command to resist all sorts of temptations into which we give from time to time. Thank God that it is not our ability to perfectly obey God's command that determines whether or not we are saved! If it were, well I'm, excuse my language, frankly screwed.
That's it for now. Stay tuned, I'll post tomorrow with any responses which take place before then.
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Wednesday, March 24, 2010
Darwin's Dilemmas: Debating Descent--Day One
I recently began a discussion over email with an old friend concerning evolution. In case any of my readers might find the discussion edifying (all 0 of you?), I figured I'd reproduce the relevant points here at my blog. For the sake of anonymity, I'll call my friend "Joe." Joe, if I misquote you or misrepresent your position, please let me know. Do continue to respond via email, however, rather than in comments in response to this post; I think the discussion will be clearer as individual blog posts rather than as a ridiculously long thread of comments with limited formatting options.
To my readers, know that I reproduce this discussion at some risk. If it turns out my friend presents an argument I am as of yet unable to refute, your faith and mine might be a bit shaken (if you disbelieve in evolution as I do). On the other hand, I am confident in the truth of God's Word, and in the poor quality of evolutionary theory.
Besides, I am a seeker of truth, and do not wish to worship a "sacred cow," and I want to encourage you to have the same attitude. As such, we should approach this discussion seriously, open to the possibility that we are wrong. Join me as we debate descent with my old pal, won't you?
DAY ONE: EQUIVOCATION AND THE FAEROE ISLANDS HOUSE MOUSE
I posted the following statement on Facebook recently: "Looking back I laugh at myself for ever believing in so ludicrous and absurd a notion as evolution." This proved to be the catalyst for the discussion which I'll be reproducing here. My friend saw this comment and contacted me via email. Here is how he began:
Here was my response to him:
In response, Joe wrote,
I responded as follows:
So that's it, at least as of 9pm my time. If I get a response before midnight, I'll include it in my next post in this series.
To my readers, know that I reproduce this discussion at some risk. If it turns out my friend presents an argument I am as of yet unable to refute, your faith and mine might be a bit shaken (if you disbelieve in evolution as I do). On the other hand, I am confident in the truth of God's Word, and in the poor quality of evolutionary theory.
Besides, I am a seeker of truth, and do not wish to worship a "sacred cow," and I want to encourage you to have the same attitude. As such, we should approach this discussion seriously, open to the possibility that we are wrong. Join me as we debate descent with my old pal, won't you?
DAY ONE: EQUIVOCATION AND THE FAEROE ISLANDS HOUSE MOUSE
I posted the following statement on Facebook recently: "Looking back I laugh at myself for ever believing in so ludicrous and absurd a notion as evolution." This proved to be the catalyst for the discussion which I'll be reproducing here. My friend saw this comment and contacted me via email. Here is how he began:
[Joe] As far as Evolution I'm not sure where you find fault with the theory so I can't counter point yet. To start I can state that there have been recorded instances of speciation in recent history, as little as 250 years ago. The Faeroe Island house mouse has not, that I know of, been subjected to testing for inter-breadability with "parent stock" so is not a prime example. It is just one of the most recent instances and show how fast Natural Selection can work in the presence of isolation on an island.
Here was my response to him:
[Theopologetics] With all due respect, I believe you are committing the logical fallacy of equivocation. Namely, you are giving an example of “evolution” as defined as “speciation” in an attempt to prove “evolution” as colloquially understood to mean “descent from a single, simple common ancestor.” But “speciation” and “descent from a single, simple common ancestor” are not the same thing.
The taxonomic classification system is a human construct, and categories like species, genus and so forth are not objective properties of organisms, but are merely attempts made by humans to classify similar creatures together hierarchically. Species, by virtue of being the most narrowly defined category, is the easiest category to “jump,” as it were, over the course of generations. In order for a new species to be formed, all that is required is that there be sufficient change over time for scientists to decide that a creature is dissimilar enough from its ancestors that it should be classified slightly differently. In other words, all that is required is “change;” the nature or quality of the change is irrelevant and subject to human interpretation. Thus, “speciation” is equal to, simply, “change.”
On the other hand, in order for all life today to have descended from a single, simple common ancestor, a specific kind of change is required—and a whole lot of it. Namely, a change resulting from the addition of new genetic information not present in one’s parents. For example, the four-winged fruit fly, what used to be a so-called “icon” of evolution (I don’t know if it is used as such any longer since the publication of the book, Icons of Evolution), has undergone a seemingly significant “change” from its parents. Whereas the parents have one pair of wings, the four-winged mutant has two pair. Yet, this cannot serve as an example of evolution because this change results from a loss of genetic information. The “normal” fruit fly’s second pair of wings is caused by certain genetic information to stop growing early in development, enabling them to serve as “stabilizers” of sorts. The four-winged mutant, on the other hand, is missing the genetic information that arrests the growth of the second pair of wings. As a result, it appears quite different from its parents with its second pair of wings, but because it has lost genetic information, and not gained new genetic information never before seen, it cannot serve as an example of evolution (and is a hopeless cripple, incidentally).
Here’s my point: “Change” and “evolution” are, quite simply, not synonyms. If you wish to attempt to present me with observed examples of evolution, you need to present examples of organisms containing new genetic information not inherited from its parents or coopted from another organism. New genetic information that resulted solely from errors which took place during the transcription and translation of DNA. Changes in the color patterns of hair, cyclical changes in the shapes and sizes of beaks (Darwin’s famous finches) and so forth do not cut it. If you have such examples, let’s discuss them. My understanding, however, is that no such observations have been made. The only claim I’ve seen made is that certain examples of bacterial resistance are examples of this kind of change, but upon closer examination it is discovered that the resistance was not the result of new genetic information.
In response, Joe wrote,
The taxonomic classification system is a human construct...
[Joe] A point I, and those supporting evolution, will agree with you completely on. Or they should. Simply saying "see, they are different now. Why? Because I said so" has no bearing on evolution. So ultimately that part is of no help or hindrance to my argument. On a similar note, it seems that scientist love creating new terms so speciation, evolution, and natural selection get blurred. As I understand it natural selection is the driving force of evolution. The result of divergent evolution is speciation (speciation still being a human construct).
On the other hand, in order for all life today...
The big picture of evolution is that all life evolved from a simple common ancestor. From there complexity of an organism is driven primarily by natural selection. A better definition of evolution is: Biological evolution ... is change in the properties of populations of organisms that transcend the lifetime of a single individual. Mutation does play a part, like with the fruit fly. The 4 winged fly is an example of how natural selection would never the genetic mutation prosper. It does not benefit the organism and will there for be removed from the gene pool. An example of beneficial mutation in the evolutionary process in an artificial environment is E. Coli. I will only give the brief version. Richard Lenski cultured over 60,000 generations of E. Coli using 1 group of common ancester. He had 12 populations that were identical to begin with in a set solution (glucose-limited medium that also contains citrate) for a set time before removing 10% from the expended solution to start the process for the new "generation". Aprox 30,000 generations in 2 random mutations had arose in one population at different times that allowed that one population to exploit citrate. http://www.pnas.org/content/105/23/7899 The E. Coli had evolved to utilize citrate by random mutation and chance. After that had happened natural selection favored the new strain. This type of radical "jump" would be very uncommon. No new genetic information was added but the process of evolution happened right in front of them.
If you wish to attempt to present me with observed examples of evolution, you need to present examples of organisms containing new genetic information not inherited from its parents or coopted from another organism.
I think I see why you see evolution as absurd. I'm not sure what you mean by new genetic information. Genetic information will always be passed from parent to offspring in sexual reproduction. What genes are recieved greatly impacts the offspring's chances of survival and reproduction. Genes that are successful will usually spread through a population and less successful genes will sputter out.
Evolution is a very slow and methodical process. I think a good example, although long, is this:
If you were to take a female rabbit an line it up next to her mother and grand mother you would see minor differences, hair color, minor changes in dimentions, etc. Continue to do this for 1000 generations and the changes would from 1000 to 999 to 998 would be just as small. the same could be said for any 3 consecutive generations anywhere in the line. The difference between 1000 and 1 would be much more noticeable. Changes would be driven by natural selection. Not choosing what genes prosper directly but what animals survive to produce the most successful offspring to continue the genetic line.
Evolution does not have to mean a new species, just the improved success of a current one.
Even if you don't agree with the conclusion I think you will find the study of E. Coli interesting. Here is a short version
http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=evolution-details-revealed-through-2009-10-18
I responded as follows:
As I understand it natural selection is the driving force of evolution. The result of divergent evolution is speciation (speciation still being a human construct).
[Theopologetics] You are asserting that Natural Selection --> Evolution --> Speciation. My point is that in that sequence, “Evolution” is being used as a synonym for change (that gets passed down to subsequent generations), but that’s not really how that word is used in the debate at hand. Creationist or otherwise, nobody denies the reality of the phenomenon that is natural selection, nor the change in future generations that it produces. While “evolution” can be used in several ways, I think it goes without saying that it is more typically understood to mean, as you put it, “all life evolved from a simple common ancestor.” It is this process which I deny, and we’ll get to why momentarily.
Biological evolution ... is change in the properties of populations of organisms that transcend the lifetime of a single individual.You see, this is what I mean when I say you are equivocating. This is not a process any creationist denies. It’s missing a vital component…
An example of beneficial mutation in the evolutionary process in an artificial environment is E. Coli… No new genetic information was added but the process of evolution happened right in front of them.
…and there it is. A beneficial mutation does not in and of itself support the notion that “all life evolved from a simple common ancestor.” One can conceive of a virtually limitless number of possible mutations which benefit the organism, but which nevertheless involve the addition of no new genetic information. My example of a four-winged fruit fly was a bad one since, as you pointed out, its mutation won’t be handed down to future generations. However, as I pointed out, cases in which a strain of bacteria develops a resistance often involve the loss of genetic information, in which case a benefit results from, at best, genetic regression, not evolution (I say “at best” because the prefix “re” in “regression” presumes reverting to a previous state, which of course begs the question of evolution).
So what qualifies a change as supporting evolution—again, defined as “all life evolved from a simple common ancestor”—is not whether or not the change affords subsequent generations a survival benefit. What qualifies a change as supporting evolution is whether or not it results from “new genetic information.”
I'm not sure what you mean by new genetic information.
The question of “new genetic information” is of vital importance in this debate. Before I give you my humble definition as it pertains to this discussion, allow me to suggest that you read Stephen Meyer’s Signature in the Cell. If you’d like, I could mail you my copy (if you promise to read it and get it back to me J). Meyer is a Christian like me, but unlike me he is not a creationist. He believes in evolution (I think), but his treatment of information is a good one and, at minimum, presents a scientific case for the existence of an intelligent designer.
In any case, the information in DNA is analogous to any other kind of “information.” Let’s take written English, for example. For any given 2-letter sequence of English letters, there are a possible 676 combinations thereof (26*26). Of these 676, how many of them are English words? A liberal list of acceptable 2-letter words in Scrabble (http://www.yak.net/kablooey/scrabble/2letterwords.html) contains 101. The chances of producing a 2-letter word at random, then, is less than 1 in 6. Now just add one additional letter, and you have a possible 17,576 combinations, out of which around 1,014 are words (http://www.yak.net/kablooey/scrabble/3letterwords.html). The chances, then, of producing such a word at random is less than 1 in 17. Add a fourth letter and around 5,454 of 456,976 combinations are words (http://www.scrabble.org.au/words/fours.htm), giving you a chance of just over 1 in 100. As you add letters, the chances decrease (exponentially?) of producing a word at random. As you combine words to produce sentences, your chances decrease further.
Thus, information is identified when there are an enormous number of possibilities with only a tiny percentage of them being “functional” or “meaningful,” and yet you see those very ones. If you see Scrabble letters arranged on the board to spell “is,” it’s conceivable they were placed their at random. Less so, however, for “ice,” and still less so for “hard.” Now imagine if you saw the phrase, “ice is hard.” A rough estimate at the likelihood of this phrase being produced at random is 1/6 * 1/17 * 1/100, or 1 out of 10,200.
Another example is a gambler who repeatedly wins at roulette. If he places his bet on a color, he has a 50/50 chance of winning. That’s one “functional” or “meaningful” possibility out of two. A single win would not raise any red flags. Neither, perhaps, would three wins in a row (1 out of 8 chance of that happening). But what if he won twenty times in a row? The chances of that happening are 1 in 1,048,576. Out of over 1 million possible combinations, then, there is only one “functional” or “meaningful” one, and it just so happens this one is the one the gambler produces. It is obvious why this would raise suspicion on the part of the establishment.
DNA is the same. Here’s a quote from a post I did some time ago at my blog (http://theopologetics.blogspot.com/2009/12/darwins-dilemmas-essence-precedes_23.html):
Consider that a protein defined by a gene in DNA is comprised of a chain of amino acids. There are some 20 amino acids that form proteins, and on average a working protein is made up of some 150 amino acids. Further consider that only certain arrangements of amino acids will link and fold into a working protein.
Just as English words are comprised of sequences of 26 letters, so too are genes (“words”) comprised of sequences of 20 amino acids (“letters”). And just a small percentage of all possible sequences of letters are meaningful or functional, so too is a small percentage of all possible sequences of amino acids meaningful or functional. As I go on to say in my post,
This means we can determine the odds of random processes producing such a working protein, by calculating the ratio of the number of working proteins to the number of possible sequences. The chance of such a protein occuring at random is 1 out of 10 to the 74th power.
What does that number mean? Ten to the seventy-fourth power is a 1 followed by 74 zeroes. So for every working protein 150 amino acids long, there are 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (I had to insert a space just so the number would fit in the blog) other possible amino acid sequences. That's one hundred trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion possible combinations. The odds are staggering.
To help illustrate the gravity of this number, it helps to consider that astronomers estimate that there are only 10 to the 65th total atoms in our galaxy. This is an exponentially smaller number than the number of possible combinations of 150 amino acids. What this means is, you would have an exponentially better chance of selecting a desired atom out of the entire Milky Way, than you would have at producing an average protein by random.
Okay, so big deal. DNA contains genetic information akin to English words and repeated winning bets. So what? Well therein lies precisely the reason why on scientific grounds I deny evolution. You explain that we have observed numerous examples of change which get passed onto future generations, and yet none of them involve the production of new genetic information. In cases of eye and hair color, dominant and recessive genes were already present. You have no functional or meaningful genes that did not previously exist. We see cases in which genetic information is lost, but not where it is gained, which is exactly what is required to go from the theoretical simple, single-celled ancestor to the mind-boggling volume of genetic information stored in human DNA.
Put simply, and in a way which reduces the problem to a fraction of that which is really faced, the phrase “A week in Hawaii!” with which you opened this email thread has to be changed through solely naturalistic processes into the entire content of this email thread thus far. If one were to look at this email thread, they wouldn’t in their wildest dreams imagine that it was produced from “A week in Hawaii!” through the random selection of characters and formatting options.
Now, Meyer’s argument in Signature is not against evolution, it is against naturalistic abiogenesis. That is, the idea that the vast content of genetic information required of the first living cell came about through solely natural means. With all due respect to you (I saw you are a fan of the American Humanist Association; forgive me if my assumption that you are a materialist/naturalist/atheist is incorrect), this idea defies credulity. When we see information remotely approaching the scale of that required of even the simplest first organism, we as humans know we’re looking at the product of intelligence. Apart from our presumption that evolution can produce information in biology, we are aware of no conceivable natural process which can produce any other sort of information. Through the scientific process of inference to the best explanation, then, we must conclude that at least the first living organism is the product of intelligence.
Now, once said information was present, Meyer might surmise that random mutations operated upon by natural selection caused life to evolve (I don’t know for certain, I don’t recall him discussing it in his book). However, I think that would be conceding a point without warrant. Even given some amount of information with which to begin, functional changes thereof resulting from solely natural processes are ridiculously unlikely. I’ve posited that we’ve observed no information-increasing mutations (if I’m wrong let me know), but we’ve observed information-decreasing ones which are preserved through natural selection and handed down to subsequent generations. And nobody can logically justify that hypothetical information-increasing mutations are likely to be more beneficial than information-decreasing ones. Consider the implications if I’m right for a moment.
What this suggests is that even if one were to conceive of the rare information-increasing mutation, such changes occur far less often than equally beneficial information-decreasing ones. Do you see the problem? It is like a man spraying a garden hose up a waterfall. The process of change through random mutations operated upon by natural selection works against evolution! It actually suggests that the genetic information in DNA decreases over time. This is consistent with biblical theology, but it is certainly not compatible with naturalistic evolution.
Okay, with that I’ll hand the ball back to you. But just to sum up: I don’t deny the reality that is change produced through random mutations preserved by natural selection. I deny that this process can explain how “all life evolved from a simple common ancestor.” And I do so because the production of new information cannot be explained through natural processes.
So that's it, at least as of 9pm my time. If I get a response before midnight, I'll include it in my next post in this series.
Wednesday, March 17, 2010
My Lord and My God: Grasping Equality With God
In the most recent episode of Unbelievable on Premier Christian Radio, Dr. James White squared off against Sir Anthony Buzzard over the doctrine of the Trinity. The debate was concurrently both edifying and frustrating: the former because Dr. White is a powerful defender of the faith, and I always learn something from his appearances; the latter because, as I felt compelled to tweet in the midst of the show, "So frustrating listening to non-Trinitarians debate the Trinity, their arguments are so vapid!"
I highly encourage you to listen to the show, both in general and this episode in particular. You can listen at the link above, or subscribe to the podcast. I like to listen to the podcast on my way to and from work. I wish I was aware of something similar in the States so I could listen to these kinds of debates more often (and not quite so frequently fail to understand some of the cultural references; but I do enjoy the accents).
If you listen, you'll hear Dr. White and his opponent discuss the Septuagint's rendition of Psalm 102. You'll notice that the claim is made that whereas our Bibles, based on the Masoretic text, depict the psalmist as speaking to God in verses 23 and following, the Septuagint has the direction of speech reversed. Buzzard, denying the Trinity, claims this proves that God is calling someone else the eternal "Lord," a verse the author of Hebrews says was spoken of the Son. I felt compelled to email the host of the show, letting him know that Buzzard is wrong. If you're interested, check out my previous post in this series, "You, LORD, in the Beginning." (The host agreed to read my comments on the air next week--all the more reason for you to listen!)
Moving on, during the course of the debate Dr. White presented several texts which, I agree, prove that Jesus is God. These are pretty easy to present, and don't take a lot of time to write up. Since my blog posts have been fewer and farther between than in times past, I figured I'd try and bang out a few posts in an attempt to hold your interest--those few of you, if any, who read regularly :). Today, we're going to look at Philippians 2:3-9. In my preferred translation, this reads as follows:
I highly encourage you to listen to the show, both in general and this episode in particular. You can listen at the link above, or subscribe to the podcast. I like to listen to the podcast on my way to and from work. I wish I was aware of something similar in the States so I could listen to these kinds of debates more often (and not quite so frequently fail to understand some of the cultural references; but I do enjoy the accents).
If you listen, you'll hear Dr. White and his opponent discuss the Septuagint's rendition of Psalm 102. You'll notice that the claim is made that whereas our Bibles, based on the Masoretic text, depict the psalmist as speaking to God in verses 23 and following, the Septuagint has the direction of speech reversed. Buzzard, denying the Trinity, claims this proves that God is calling someone else the eternal "Lord," a verse the author of Hebrews says was spoken of the Son. I felt compelled to email the host of the show, letting him know that Buzzard is wrong. If you're interested, check out my previous post in this series, "You, LORD, in the Beginning." (The host agreed to read my comments on the air next week--all the more reason for you to listen!)
Moving on, during the course of the debate Dr. White presented several texts which, I agree, prove that Jesus is God. These are pretty easy to present, and don't take a lot of time to write up. Since my blog posts have been fewer and farther between than in times past, I figured I'd try and bang out a few posts in an attempt to hold your interest--those few of you, if any, who read regularly :). Today, we're going to look at Philippians 2:3-9. In my preferred translation, this reads as follows:
(3) Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves; (4) do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others. (5) Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, (6) who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, (7) but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. (8) Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. (9) For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name. (Philippians 2:3-9)
Sunday, March 14, 2010
The View from the Fence: A Dichotomist's Journey to Uncertainty
As recently as a week ago, I held firmly and confidently to an understanding of the nature of man held by the vast majority of Christians throughout the history of the Church. Over the course of the past week or so, however, things have changed. I know sit atop the fence between this view and one seemingly held by very few Christians, and I thought I'd share with you my journey to the top of that fence and the view I now have therefrom. Additionally, I'll use this to introduce a new series, "O LORD What is Man?" (from Psalm 144:3).
Not all of my readers are as engaged in debates within the blogosphere as I am, and will be unfamiliar with some of the terms I'll use throughout this series. As such, let me start be defining some of these terms. I was once asked in a Bible study when I was going to start blogging in English. Well, I won't begin today. Instead, I'll give you a dictionary so you can speak the language yourself.
DEFINITIONS OF TERMS
"Anthropology," philosophically and theologically speaking, is "the study of the nature and essence of humankind." In a systematic theology, it is included alongside discussions of bibliology, theology proper and the like. For example, in Wayne Grudem's Systematic Theology, part one is "The Doctrine of the Word of God" (bibliology), part two is "The Doctrine of God" (theology proper), and part three is "The Doctrine of Man" (anthropology). Our goal as Christians when it comes to anthropology is to understand what the Bible says about what it is to be human.
"Dichotomy," anthropologically speaking, is "The view that man is made up of two parts (body and soul/spirit)," as explained by Wayne Grudem. He writes that "spirit" and "soul" are "used interchangeably in Scripture to talk about the immaterial part of man, the part that lives on after our bodies die" (Systematic Theology, p. 472). Some philosophers also use the word "Dualism" to describe this view, and though I don't particularly object to its use, many do (as I've discovered), and so I will stick with their preferred term, dichotomy.
The dichotomy view of human nature is most commonly contrasted with "trichotomy." Grudem writes, "Some people believe that in addition to 'body' and 'soul' we have a third part, a 'spirit' that most directly relates to God." They would say that "a man's soul includes his intellect, his emotions and his will...a man's spirit is a higher faculty in man that comes alive when a person becomes a Christian" (p. 472). Throughout the history of the Church, the vast majority of Christians have held to one of these two views.
However, there is another view, one which I did not know until recently was held by any genuine Bible-believing Christians. Called "physicalism," "materialism" or "monism"--but only insofar as it pertains to human nature--this view holds that "man cannot exist at all apart from a physical body, and therefore there can be no separate existence for any 'soul' after the body dies (although this view can allow for the resurrection of the whole person at some future time)" (Grudem, p. 472). Theological novice that I am, though I was aware that Jehovah's Witnesses believed in something called "soul sleep," I was dumbfounded when I discovered that some Christians hold this view.
IGNORANCE IS BLISS
Dichotomists and trichotomists certainly disagree in a number of ways, but in my mind they stand together in opposition to physicalists in affirming an immaterial aspect of human nature. If one were to envision two camps within the Church separated by a fence, I was until very recently firmly on the dichotomist's side of that fence, blissfully unaware of the physicalist camp on the other side. For example, in "The Bible and the Dead: Do Ghosts Exist?" I wrote, "When a man dies, he goes to a place where the dead are utterly separate from the living, awaiting the final resurrection and judgment throne of God." Speaking of the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, I continued,
Now, I was aware of non-Christians, such as the Jehovah's Witnesses, who held to a position called "soul sleep," but I really didn't know that there were any genuine Christians who did. And I was utterly ignorant that those who hold to this position don't believe man has any immaterial aspect to their existence at all (the "soul" or "spirit"). Thus, during the course of my 8-years-or-so-long Christian walk, I had lived in a comfy-cozy bubble thinking that man's "spirit" remaining conscious in Sheol after death was simply the Christian view. Ignorance is bliss.
SAY HELLO TO GLENN PEOPLES
This was three weeks ago, and I had just begun listening to a podcast called "Say Hello to My Little Friend." I was very impressed by some of what I heard, and as Dee Dee Warren has noted, the host's New Zealand accent makes his arguments seem all the more compelling. I first enjoyed an episode in which he, Glenn Peoples, played a recording of a sermon he had recently given on preterism. Another episode--well, three of them actually--discussed Alvin Plantinga and presuppositional apologetics, a presentation which greatly edified me.
At some point, I learned of the physicalist view Glenn holds, and two days after my "ghost post" I wrote this:
For some reason, it hadn't struck me yet. Here I had assumed that all Christians recognized that humans have immaterial spirits which remain conscious after death. And yet, Glenn's arguments in other areas seemed so well reasoned, so biblically sound. The seeming inconsistency hadn't struck me, and I intially thought nothing of it. But then, about a week later, Glenn wrote a post at a blog at which I write as a guest author, at which point my world began to be rocked.
IN SEARCH OF THE SOUL
Glenn's post was called, "Philosophy of Mind and the Hyperpreterist Controversy," in which he explained that if his physicalist position is correct, it adds to the weight of the evidence opposing the heresy of hyperpreterism. For better or for worse, it sparked a firestorm of a debate, but not about hyperpreterism. Other guest authors and I immediately began questioning the validity of his view from a biblical perspective. I'll get back to that in a moment, but I bring it up because it was this post and the ensuing debate that led me to begin to listen to his five-part podcast series called, "In Search of the Soul."
In the first four episodes in the series, Glenn refutes some of the philosophical reasons people insist that humans have an immaterial spirit that lives on after death. These episodes are not for everybody; I spoke on the phone today with one fellow blogger and podcaster, who shall go unnamed, who confessed that these episodes went over his or her head. I, however, thoroughly enjoyed them, and was impressed by Glenn's reasoning. I said as much early on in the debate that resulted from his post.
In the fifth episode, he discusses what the Bible has to say when it comes to anthropology. It was this episode to which I had really looked forward. As I said in the debate,
But by the time I pressed play on my Zune to listen to this final episode in the series, something was beginning to dawn on me. Despite the heated debate which followed Glenn's post, very little compelling biblical evidence against his view had been presented. I was still holding on to a few passages which seemed difficult to explain from a physicalist's point of view, but nothing like what one would expect to be found in the Bible in order for the dichotomy view to be so ubiquitous within the Church. As I said in the debate after listening to the episode,
HOLY COW TIPPING
You see, I'm not a big fan of Christian "holy cows." Otherwise known as a "sacred cow," a holy cow is "an object or practice which is considered immune from criticism, especially unreasonably so." In my short "career" as a Christian, I've seen a number of holy cows. These cherished beliefs are held uncritically by masses of Christians, and when these beliefs are challenged, the challenger is often met with disdain and disgust rather than with a reasoned argument.
I think the God of the Bible calls us to a higher standard. In human flesh He said to the woman at the well, "true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth" (John 4:23-24). As such, I've endeavored to make absolutely certain that my world view is deeply rooted in Scripture, rather than held to simply because of tradition. That's not to say I'm immune from HCS (Holy Cow Syndrome); I'm certain that there are positions I hold today uncritically. Nevertheless, I've aimed for something better, and as a result, I've changed my position in a number of areas because the Bible was my leading me somewhere different.
So as it began to dawn on me that there seemed to be no strong positive biblical case to be made for the view I had held, that humans were comprised of both a material nature and an immaterial one which survived death, I started hearing alarm bells--or rather, cow bells. I could not in good conscience hold a position without warrant. I refuse to worship a holy cow. As I said to Glenn in the debate,
THE VIEW FROM THE FENCE
Having taken my seat atop the fence, I can tell you that the view is daunting. My transition to preterism was a bit scary; after all, it almost goes without saying that if you talk to a Christian about the end times, you're going to hear about how the rapture is around the corner, immediately following which the world will experience a great tribulation involving the antichrist and so on and so forth. In other words, preterism is most definitely the minority position.
But I think I'd be accurate in saying that the percentage of Christians who hold the physicalist position is considerably smaller than that of preterists. To someone who values the work of the proverbial giants of the past upon whose shoulders I stand, the thought of adopting a position that goes so contrary to theirs is almost anathema. Nevertheless, as I said, I refuse to worship a holy cow.
Making things worse, faced with the vertigo resulting from the thought of parting ways with the majority of Christians throughout history, the view from the fence seems to offer little solace for the formerly certain dichotomist. Instead of a serious treatment of the arguments the physicalist has to offer in favor of his position, what I saw was, basically, schoolyard bullying. I wholeheartedly agreed with Glenn when I read these words:
Eventually, the "constant stream of attacks" became too much for Glenn to handle. One of the dichotomists debating him said, "I guess this means you can’t from a reasoned approach make sense of what the text explicitly states coupled with the view you are attempting to foist upon the readers." My heart sank when I read those words, and I was less than surprised when I saw Glenn quote those words in signing off from the debate.
THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE
I could relate to Glenn's decision to bow out from the debate; I would have given up much sooner, I think. And then, in his absence, I tried to play the role of the devil's advocate, putting myself in the shoes of the physicalist, answering the objections my formerly-fellow dichotomists were stating. My brief walk in those shoes was jarring for two reasons.
First, what I discovered was that once one puts aside one's presupposition that humans have an immaterial spirit, one discovers that biblical passages thought to reference it no longer seem so obviously in favor of the dichotomist's position. That's not to say that physicalism seems obvious from the text; that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that in virtually every case, where the dichotomist clearly sees his position leaping from the text of Scripture, once one views those texts from a less biased position, one discovers that they are hardly the proof-texts they are thought to be. We'll get to these later as part of this series.
Second, in response to my meager attempts to present the physicalist argument, what I got was not serious attempts to address the position I was advocating, but circular arguments, bald assertions, unwarranted assumptions and an overall dismissive attitude. Arguably worse than that, I became the recipient of more subtle versions of the same kinds of attacks that caused Glenn to bow out of the debate. It was implied I was quoting from strange translation (I always quoted from the NASB). At one point I was told I was "not making any sense" and "straining credulity."
One dichotomist said to me that he was "positive the Dead Kennedy’s couldn’t get anyone to buy that, but there it is for all to see." For those as un-hip as I am, former Dead Kennedys member Jello Biafra apparently wrote a song called, "Those Dumb Punk Kids (Will Buy Anything)." The reference, then, must suggest that only "dumb punk kids" would "buy" the arguments I was making. Later, when I said I would try and dig up a physicalist's response to a difficult passage, the same dichotomist wrote, "Get ‘em, Chubby Checker," implying in advance that I was on a mission to twist the biblical text.
PRECARIOUSLY PERCHED
So, for someone who very recently firmly held to the dichotomy view of biblical anthropology, what is the view like from atop the fence between it and physicalism? Well, suffice it to say that my perch is a precarious one. Believe me, I want to believe what the majority of the Church has believed for the better part of two thousand years. I want to believe that every human is comprised of both a material body and an immaterial spirit that lives on in Sheol when the body dies.
But, like I said, I am not a fan of holy cows. My brief foray in the debate over biblical anthropology has left me unsatisfied with the majority view. If you were to ask me what evidence from Scripture I could marshal in defense of the dichotomy view, I'd with a certain amount of discomfort be able to proffer very little. On the other hand, if you were to ask me how the physicalist can explain any one of the typical arguments leveled against it, I suspect that it is likely I could capably give a defense.
On the other hand, the discomfort is tempered by a certain amount of excitement. Not long ago members of my then small group confessed that they found it somewhat difficult to do their Bible reading every week. I suggested that they look for controversy in the text, as that tends to get me interested. Well, this topic is fraught with controversy.
It is with some excitement, then, that I peer down precariously into the camps between which I am perched. I look forward to investigating this issue without presuming one position or the other. I have been freed from my bondage to a holy cow, and if I end up reaffirming the dichotomy view, it will be for the right reasons. On the other hand, if the Scripture leads me to adopt physicalism, I will be worshiping the Father in Truth. My request is that you, my readers, keep an open mind as we look at how the Bible answers the question, "O LORD What is Man?"
Not all of my readers are as engaged in debates within the blogosphere as I am, and will be unfamiliar with some of the terms I'll use throughout this series. As such, let me start be defining some of these terms. I was once asked in a Bible study when I was going to start blogging in English. Well, I won't begin today. Instead, I'll give you a dictionary so you can speak the language yourself.
DEFINITIONS OF TERMS
"Anthropology," philosophically and theologically speaking, is "the study of the nature and essence of humankind." In a systematic theology, it is included alongside discussions of bibliology, theology proper and the like. For example, in Wayne Grudem's Systematic Theology, part one is "The Doctrine of the Word of God" (bibliology), part two is "The Doctrine of God" (theology proper), and part three is "The Doctrine of Man" (anthropology). Our goal as Christians when it comes to anthropology is to understand what the Bible says about what it is to be human.
"Dichotomy," anthropologically speaking, is "The view that man is made up of two parts (body and soul/spirit)," as explained by Wayne Grudem. He writes that "spirit" and "soul" are "used interchangeably in Scripture to talk about the immaterial part of man, the part that lives on after our bodies die" (Systematic Theology, p. 472). Some philosophers also use the word "Dualism" to describe this view, and though I don't particularly object to its use, many do (as I've discovered), and so I will stick with their preferred term, dichotomy.
The dichotomy view of human nature is most commonly contrasted with "trichotomy." Grudem writes, "Some people believe that in addition to 'body' and 'soul' we have a third part, a 'spirit' that most directly relates to God." They would say that "a man's soul includes his intellect, his emotions and his will...a man's spirit is a higher faculty in man that comes alive when a person becomes a Christian" (p. 472). Throughout the history of the Church, the vast majority of Christians have held to one of these two views.
However, there is another view, one which I did not know until recently was held by any genuine Bible-believing Christians. Called "physicalism," "materialism" or "monism"--but only insofar as it pertains to human nature--this view holds that "man cannot exist at all apart from a physical body, and therefore there can be no separate existence for any 'soul' after the body dies (although this view can allow for the resurrection of the whole person at some future time)" (Grudem, p. 472). Theological novice that I am, though I was aware that Jehovah's Witnesses believed in something called "soul sleep," I was dumbfounded when I discovered that some Christians hold this view.
IGNORANCE IS BLISS
Dichotomists and trichotomists certainly disagree in a number of ways, but in my mind they stand together in opposition to physicalists in affirming an immaterial aspect of human nature. If one were to envision two camps within the Church separated by a fence, I was until very recently firmly on the dichotomist's side of that fence, blissfully unaware of the physicalist camp on the other side. For example, in "The Bible and the Dead: Do Ghosts Exist?" I wrote, "When a man dies, he goes to a place where the dead are utterly separate from the living, awaiting the final resurrection and judgment throne of God." Speaking of the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, I continued,
Jesus' parables were meant to reveal truth to His disciples, and if the pictures He painted were not rooted in reality, then how could one be assured of the truth of that which He intended to reveal? Therefore, we should probably assume that the story told is an accurate picture of the state of the dead.
Now, I was aware of non-Christians, such as the Jehovah's Witnesses, who held to a position called "soul sleep," but I really didn't know that there were any genuine Christians who did. And I was utterly ignorant that those who hold to this position don't believe man has any immaterial aspect to their existence at all (the "soul" or "spirit"). Thus, during the course of my 8-years-or-so-long Christian walk, I had lived in a comfy-cozy bubble thinking that man's "spirit" remaining conscious in Sheol after death was simply the Christian view. Ignorance is bliss.
SAY HELLO TO GLENN PEOPLES
This was three weeks ago, and I had just begun listening to a podcast called "Say Hello to My Little Friend." I was very impressed by some of what I heard, and as Dee Dee Warren has noted, the host's New Zealand accent makes his arguments seem all the more compelling. I first enjoyed an episode in which he, Glenn Peoples, played a recording of a sermon he had recently given on preterism. Another episode--well, three of them actually--discussed Alvin Plantinga and presuppositional apologetics, a presentation which greatly edified me.
At some point, I learned of the physicalist view Glenn holds, and two days after my "ghost post" I wrote this:
The Preterist Podcast recently turned me on to an awesome podcast called "Say Hello to my Little Friend," otherwise known as the "Beretta Cast" (and corresponding blog). As a disclaimer, I don't agree with everything I've come across at the blog; for example, I don't believe in "soul sleep," but rather that the immortal spirit is in some sense conscious in Sheol awaiting the resurrection--primarily because I don't believe Jesus' parables were rooted in fantasy. Nevertheless, I've enjoyed what I've listened to so far.
For some reason, it hadn't struck me yet. Here I had assumed that all Christians recognized that humans have immaterial spirits which remain conscious after death. And yet, Glenn's arguments in other areas seemed so well reasoned, so biblically sound. The seeming inconsistency hadn't struck me, and I intially thought nothing of it. But then, about a week later, Glenn wrote a post at a blog at which I write as a guest author, at which point my world began to be rocked.
IN SEARCH OF THE SOUL
Glenn's post was called, "Philosophy of Mind and the Hyperpreterist Controversy," in which he explained that if his physicalist position is correct, it adds to the weight of the evidence opposing the heresy of hyperpreterism. For better or for worse, it sparked a firestorm of a debate, but not about hyperpreterism. Other guest authors and I immediately began questioning the validity of his view from a biblical perspective. I'll get back to that in a moment, but I bring it up because it was this post and the ensuing debate that led me to begin to listen to his five-part podcast series called, "In Search of the Soul."
In the first four episodes in the series, Glenn refutes some of the philosophical reasons people insist that humans have an immaterial spirit that lives on after death. These episodes are not for everybody; I spoke on the phone today with one fellow blogger and podcaster, who shall go unnamed, who confessed that these episodes went over his or her head. I, however, thoroughly enjoyed them, and was impressed by Glenn's reasoning. I said as much early on in the debate that resulted from his post.
In the fifth episode, he discusses what the Bible has to say when it comes to anthropology. It was this episode to which I had really looked forward. As I said in the debate,
I just finished your 4th episode and enjoyed it. I think you’re right that philosophical objections to physicalism fall flat. I suspect philosophical arguments against [the dichotomy view]...would likewise fall flat. They both seem plausible theories given the physical evidence, and ultimately we’ll need to go to Scripture to see which is valid. As such, I’m super excited to hear the 5th episode in your series. I appreciate how carefully you’ve handled the debate in the series thus far; I hope you continue to do so in the final one.
But by the time I pressed play on my Zune to listen to this final episode in the series, something was beginning to dawn on me. Despite the heated debate which followed Glenn's post, very little compelling biblical evidence against his view had been presented. I was still holding on to a few passages which seemed difficult to explain from a physicalist's point of view, but nothing like what one would expect to be found in the Bible in order for the dichotomy view to be so ubiquitous within the Church. As I said in the debate after listening to the episode,
what dawned on me as I was listening to episode 5 in a way that perhaps it didn’t before was that it seems to me to be terribly difficult to make a positive case for the [dichotomy view]...As I’ve said before in this thread, I think biblical evidence in support of the majority view is very scant.
HOLY COW TIPPING
You see, I'm not a big fan of Christian "holy cows." Otherwise known as a "sacred cow," a holy cow is "an object or practice which is considered immune from criticism, especially unreasonably so." In my short "career" as a Christian, I've seen a number of holy cows. These cherished beliefs are held uncritically by masses of Christians, and when these beliefs are challenged, the challenger is often met with disdain and disgust rather than with a reasoned argument.
I think the God of the Bible calls us to a higher standard. In human flesh He said to the woman at the well, "true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth" (John 4:23-24). As such, I've endeavored to make absolutely certain that my world view is deeply rooted in Scripture, rather than held to simply because of tradition. That's not to say I'm immune from HCS (Holy Cow Syndrome); I'm certain that there are positions I hold today uncritically. Nevertheless, I've aimed for something better, and as a result, I've changed my position in a number of areas because the Bible was my leading me somewhere different.
So as it began to dawn on me that there seemed to be no strong positive biblical case to be made for the view I had held, that humans were comprised of both a material nature and an immaterial one which survived death, I started hearing alarm bells--or rather, cow bells. I could not in good conscience hold a position without warrant. I refuse to worship a holy cow. As I said to Glenn in the debate,
I’m going to be honest with you. Early on in the episode I noticed I was increasingly drawing nearer to the proverbial fence, though not for any arguments you were giving. Rather, I think it was because something dawned on me before you said it–or at least before it registered that you had said it: had the biblical authors intended to communicate this view that the majority holds, they could have easily done so. And now, having finished listening, I’m squarely on the fence.
THE VIEW FROM THE FENCE
Having taken my seat atop the fence, I can tell you that the view is daunting. My transition to preterism was a bit scary; after all, it almost goes without saying that if you talk to a Christian about the end times, you're going to hear about how the rapture is around the corner, immediately following which the world will experience a great tribulation involving the antichrist and so on and so forth. In other words, preterism is most definitely the minority position.
But I think I'd be accurate in saying that the percentage of Christians who hold the physicalist position is considerably smaller than that of preterists. To someone who values the work of the proverbial giants of the past upon whose shoulders I stand, the thought of adopting a position that goes so contrary to theirs is almost anathema. Nevertheless, as I said, I refuse to worship a holy cow.
Making things worse, faced with the vertigo resulting from the thought of parting ways with the majority of Christians throughout history, the view from the fence seems to offer little solace for the formerly certain dichotomist. Instead of a serious treatment of the arguments the physicalist has to offer in favor of his position, what I saw was, basically, schoolyard bullying. I wholeheartedly agreed with Glenn when I read these words:
this is why it’s so hard to engage with you - this and your constant stream of attacks...It has been a very long time since I have encountered the kind of rudeness and lack of self control from someone who regards himself as a Christian.
Eventually, the "constant stream of attacks" became too much for Glenn to handle. One of the dichotomists debating him said, "I guess this means you can’t from a reasoned approach make sense of what the text explicitly states coupled with the view you are attempting to foist upon the readers." My heart sank when I read those words, and I was less than surprised when I saw Glenn quote those words in signing off from the debate.
THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE
I could relate to Glenn's decision to bow out from the debate; I would have given up much sooner, I think. And then, in his absence, I tried to play the role of the devil's advocate, putting myself in the shoes of the physicalist, answering the objections my formerly-fellow dichotomists were stating. My brief walk in those shoes was jarring for two reasons.
First, what I discovered was that once one puts aside one's presupposition that humans have an immaterial spirit, one discovers that biblical passages thought to reference it no longer seem so obviously in favor of the dichotomist's position. That's not to say that physicalism seems obvious from the text; that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that in virtually every case, where the dichotomist clearly sees his position leaping from the text of Scripture, once one views those texts from a less biased position, one discovers that they are hardly the proof-texts they are thought to be. We'll get to these later as part of this series.
Second, in response to my meager attempts to present the physicalist argument, what I got was not serious attempts to address the position I was advocating, but circular arguments, bald assertions, unwarranted assumptions and an overall dismissive attitude. Arguably worse than that, I became the recipient of more subtle versions of the same kinds of attacks that caused Glenn to bow out of the debate. It was implied I was quoting from strange translation (I always quoted from the NASB). At one point I was told I was "not making any sense" and "straining credulity."
One dichotomist said to me that he was "positive the Dead Kennedy’s couldn’t get anyone to buy that, but there it is for all to see." For those as un-hip as I am, former Dead Kennedys member Jello Biafra apparently wrote a song called, "Those Dumb Punk Kids (Will Buy Anything)." The reference, then, must suggest that only "dumb punk kids" would "buy" the arguments I was making. Later, when I said I would try and dig up a physicalist's response to a difficult passage, the same dichotomist wrote, "Get ‘em, Chubby Checker," implying in advance that I was on a mission to twist the biblical text.
PRECARIOUSLY PERCHED
So, for someone who very recently firmly held to the dichotomy view of biblical anthropology, what is the view like from atop the fence between it and physicalism? Well, suffice it to say that my perch is a precarious one. Believe me, I want to believe what the majority of the Church has believed for the better part of two thousand years. I want to believe that every human is comprised of both a material body and an immaterial spirit that lives on in Sheol when the body dies.
But, like I said, I am not a fan of holy cows. My brief foray in the debate over biblical anthropology has left me unsatisfied with the majority view. If you were to ask me what evidence from Scripture I could marshal in defense of the dichotomy view, I'd with a certain amount of discomfort be able to proffer very little. On the other hand, if you were to ask me how the physicalist can explain any one of the typical arguments leveled against it, I suspect that it is likely I could capably give a defense.
On the other hand, the discomfort is tempered by a certain amount of excitement. Not long ago members of my then small group confessed that they found it somewhat difficult to do their Bible reading every week. I suggested that they look for controversy in the text, as that tends to get me interested. Well, this topic is fraught with controversy.
It is with some excitement, then, that I peer down precariously into the camps between which I am perched. I look forward to investigating this issue without presuming one position or the other. I have been freed from my bondage to a holy cow, and if I end up reaffirming the dichotomy view, it will be for the right reasons. On the other hand, if the Scripture leads me to adopt physicalism, I will be worshiping the Father in Truth. My request is that you, my readers, keep an open mind as we look at how the Bible answers the question, "O LORD What is Man?"
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